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		<title>By: snogroove</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-123080</link>
		<dc:creator>snogroove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t want to be a spoilsport and adore the innovation, but wouldn&#039;t this still fit huge panniers and be much more carryable if it were maybe 6-8 inches shorter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t want to be a spoilsport and adore the innovation, but wouldn&#8217;t this still fit huge panniers and be much more carryable if it were maybe 6-8 inches shorter?</p>
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		<title>By: surly bike</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-82279</link>
		<dc:creator>surly bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-78431</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my 18&quot; Big Dummy frameset in late February, the day the first set of frames became available (and sold out in 4 hours).  Since then, I&#039;ve ridden it all over the place.  My commute is 11 miles each way, and I usually use my touring bike.  I&#039;ve been taking the Dummy quite regularly, and it doesn&#039;t take much longer overall.  The Dummy rides smooth, handles predictably, and actually goes pretty fast if you put good slicks on it.  I&#039;m running Schwalbe Big Apple (26x2.35) for good weather, and Continental Spike Claw 240 (26x2.1) studded tires for the slippery weather as the spring thaw/freeze sets in.

It handles hills quite nicely.  Unlike with almost any kind of trailer, there is no pulsing or surging action fighting your progress as you pedal.  The unusual weight distribution makes it somewhat easy to slip the rear wheel while accelerating hard from a stop or climbing a steep hill at low speed, but it hasn&#039;t caused me any real problem.  Gear it low and spin your way to the top comfortably.

The fork does indeed have provisions for a front rack.  There are eyelets at the dropouts, mid-blade, and near the crown.  I don&#039;t have a front rack on mine right now, but I&#039;m thinking about it because I like to have a place to keep smaller things within reach while riding, like my GPS and cell phone.

The racking system probably isn&#039;t the absolute best replacement for racks and panniers, but it can definitely carry a lot more that a typical loaded touring bike without much hassle.  I&#039;ve taken mine camping once already, piling my Hennessey Hammock, winter sleeping bag, and insulated ground pad into one side and my clothes, tools, and cooking gear in the other side.  I&#039;ve carried people on the back for short distances as well, and that works surprisingly well.  

If you want some strong rims, look at the Velocity Cliffhanger (26&quot;) or the Velocity Dyad (700c).  They are both really beefy deep-section rims.  I am running Dyads on my Long Haul Trucker touring bike, and Cliffhangers on my Big Dummy.  Both work great and have built up into very strong, stiff wheels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my 18&#8243; Big Dummy frameset in late February, the day the first set of frames became available (and sold out in 4 hours).  Since then, I&#8217;ve ridden it all over the place.  My commute is 11 miles each way, and I usually use my touring bike.  I&#8217;ve been taking the Dummy quite regularly, and it doesn&#8217;t take much longer overall.  The Dummy rides smooth, handles predictably, and actually goes pretty fast if you put good slicks on it.  I&#8217;m running Schwalbe Big Apple (26&#215;2.35) for good weather, and Continental Spike Claw 240 (26&#215;2.1) studded tires for the slippery weather as the spring thaw/freeze sets in.</p>
<p>It handles hills quite nicely.  Unlike with almost any kind of trailer, there is no pulsing or surging action fighting your progress as you pedal.  The unusual weight distribution makes it somewhat easy to slip the rear wheel while accelerating hard from a stop or climbing a steep hill at low speed, but it hasn&#8217;t caused me any real problem.  Gear it low and spin your way to the top comfortably.</p>
<p>The fork does indeed have provisions for a front rack.  There are eyelets at the dropouts, mid-blade, and near the crown.  I don&#8217;t have a front rack on mine right now, but I&#8217;m thinking about it because I like to have a place to keep smaller things within reach while riding, like my GPS and cell phone.</p>
<p>The racking system probably isn&#8217;t the absolute best replacement for racks and panniers, but it can definitely carry a lot more that a typical loaded touring bike without much hassle.  I&#8217;ve taken mine camping once already, piling my Hennessey Hammock, winter sleeping bag, and insulated ground pad into one side and my clothes, tools, and cooking gear in the other side.  I&#8217;ve carried people on the back for short distances as well, and that works surprisingly well.  </p>
<p>If you want some strong rims, look at the Velocity Cliffhanger (26&#8243;) or the Velocity Dyad (700c).  They are both really beefy deep-section rims.  I am running Dyads on my Long Haul Trucker touring bike, and Cliffhangers on my Big Dummy.  Both work great and have built up into very strong, stiff wheels.</p>
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		<title>By: Photowhit</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-78419</link>
		<dc:creator>Photowhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039; hear lots about the extra sorage room, but how well does it handle hills?

I don&#039;t mind the extra weight,  Heck I have close to 10k of loaded touring with a B.O.B. but to climb hills with it you need weight over the front as well.

The Kona doesn&#039;t appear to have a brazing for front rack (or a standard fender setup for that matter, though it does come with....) It would be a very upright seating possition for me anywho at 6&#039;2&quot; with the single size frame.

Anyone get their hands on a Big Dummy frame yet? It also doesn&#039;t appear to have front rack mounts. 

ANy thoughts on this replacing a touring bike, I have been touring on a converted mountain bike largely for the srtonger wheels, I&#039;m rebuiling my rear now after hitting a curb (long story) and flattening my rhynolt xl rim building with a mammoth rim as I was encouraged by a mountain bike shop though I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s really stronger after looking at a cut out. any opinions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217; hear lots about the extra sorage room, but how well does it handle hills?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind the extra weight,  Heck I have close to 10k of loaded touring with a B.O.B. but to climb hills with it you need weight over the front as well.</p>
<p>The Kona doesn&#8217;t appear to have a brazing for front rack (or a standard fender setup for that matter, though it does come with&#8230;.) It would be a very upright seating possition for me anywho at 6&#8242;2&#8243; with the single size frame.</p>
<p>Anyone get their hands on a Big Dummy frame yet? It also doesn&#8217;t appear to have front rack mounts. </p>
<p>ANy thoughts on this replacing a touring bike, I have been touring on a converted mountain bike largely for the srtonger wheels, I&#8217;m rebuiling my rear now after hitting a curb (long story) and flattening my rhynolt xl rim building with a mammoth rim as I was encouraged by a mountain bike shop though I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s really stronger after looking at a cut out. any opinions?</p>
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		<title>By: S. cerevisiae</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-59101</link>
		<dc:creator>S. cerevisiae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone notices from the link that Kona is offering the Ute only 1 size? WTF??? That seems to eliminate it from my RADAR screen. No way I&#039;m throwing a leg over something sized for the 5&#039; folks and the 6&#039; folks at the same time. Not when my commute is over 20 miles one way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone notices from the link that Kona is offering the Ute only 1 size? WTF??? That seems to eliminate it from my RADAR screen. No way I&#8217;m throwing a leg over something sized for the 5&#8242; folks and the 6&#8242; folks at the same time. Not when my commute is over 20 miles one way.</p>
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		<title>By: Utility bikes that can carry a big load &#187; Commute by Bike</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-54982</link>
		<dc:creator>Utility bikes that can carry a big load &#187; Commute by Bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will cost around $800. That&#8217;s what you&#8217;ll spend before you install the first component. I&#8217;ve ridden the Big Dummy and like it a lot, however the price tag could be a huge deterrent to many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will cost around $800. That&#8217;s what you&#8217;ll spend before you install the first component. I&#8217;ve ridden the Big Dummy and like it a lot, however the price tag could be a huge deterrent to many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-54395</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I got my Xtra I thought it wouldn&#039;t change *my* life &#039;cause I already rode a lot, commuted a lot...  welp, it took me  up to the next level of commuting a lot and I&#039;ve been &quot;between cars&quot; since the end of May simply because I was afraid I&#039;d kill my car from lack of use (and my brother needed a new taxi). 
    Yes, it fits in most elevators. Yes, it does stairs fairly easily (and I am not hercules, much less his-cules).   
    Compared to the Ute... Yours Truly is horribly incompetent at assembling things.  DIY Disaster here.  Therefore, I heart heart heart how my Xtra is all set up and I can treat it like the back seat of a car.  (Don&#039;t ask about what people have found there ;)) It *does*, however, flop over on me on the non-kickstand side ;( 
    You really do have to ride it to believe it.  It&#039;s an engineering masterpiece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I got my Xtra I thought it wouldn&#8217;t change *my* life &#8217;cause I already rode a lot, commuted a lot&#8230;  welp, it took me  up to the next level of commuting a lot and I&#8217;ve been &#8220;between cars&#8221; since the end of May simply because I was afraid I&#8217;d kill my car from lack of use (and my brother needed a new taxi).<br />
    Yes, it fits in most elevators. Yes, it does stairs fairly easily (and I am not hercules, much less his-cules).<br />
    Compared to the Ute&#8230; Yours Truly is horribly incompetent at assembling things.  DIY Disaster here.  Therefore, I heart heart heart how my Xtra is all set up and I can treat it like the back seat of a car.  (Don&#8217;t ask about what people have found there <img src='http://commutebybike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) It *does*, however, flop over on me on the non-kickstand side ;(<br />
    You really do have to ride it to believe it.  It&#8217;s an engineering masterpiece.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The expected price of $810 to $820 is for the frame and fork only.  Surly is not planning to offer the Big Dummy as a complete bike, from what I have heard.  The kind of people that are going to want something like this tend to be the type that are pretty picky about how they want a bike built up, so a prebuilt version would be more of a hindrance than it was worth.

I live in south Minneapolis, and I&#039;ve spotted Dave Gray riding his prototype Big Dummy around several times.  We&#039;ve stopped to talk a few of these times, and he told me that the last changes had been made, and they were finally putting in a production order.  This was early August, I think, and he said that it would probably be November to December before we would have our hands on the mass-produced frames locally.

I&#039;ve got most of the parts for my BD build already stockpiled in my basement, so I&#039;m just eagerly awaiting a frame.

Here&#039;s the current info about the frameset from the Surly website, which is showing a February availability:
http://surlybikes.com/new/bigdummy_pop.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The expected price of $810 to $820 is for the frame and fork only.  Surly is not planning to offer the Big Dummy as a complete bike, from what I have heard.  The kind of people that are going to want something like this tend to be the type that are pretty picky about how they want a bike built up, so a prebuilt version would be more of a hindrance than it was worth.</p>
<p>I live in south Minneapolis, and I&#8217;ve spotted Dave Gray riding his prototype Big Dummy around several times.  We&#8217;ve stopped to talk a few of these times, and he told me that the last changes had been made, and they were finally putting in a production order.  This was early August, I think, and he said that it would probably be November to December before we would have our hands on the mass-produced frames locally.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got most of the parts for my BD build already stockpiled in my basement, so I&#8217;m just eagerly awaiting a frame.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the current info about the frameset from the Surly website, which is showing a February availability:<br />
<a href="http://surlybikes.com/new/bigdummy_pop.html" rel="nofollow">http://surlybikes.com/new/bigdummy_pop.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: many more miles to go &#8250; catch up</title>
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		<dc:creator>many more miles to go &#8250; catch up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is what I want to replace my car with.   This was written by stacia. Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007, at 8:31 pm. Filed under the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is what I want to replace my car with.   This was written by stacia. Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007, at 8:31 pm. Filed under the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/25/demo-ride-surly-big-dummy/comment-page-1/#comment-53886</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the xtracycle is one of those things i think has to be experienced, if even for a test ride. as ezra said, &quot;it changes lives.&quot;

i&#039;m building a BD ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the xtracycle is one of those things i think has to be experienced, if even for a test ride. as ezra said, &#8220;it changes lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m building a BD ASAP.</p>
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