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		<title>By: Wayne B</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/26/first-look-2008-raleigh-detour-deluxe/comment-page-1/#comment-111990</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention, I&#039;m 6&#039; with a 32&quot; inseam and wound up on the 21 size, rather than the 19.  It does seem to run a size smaller than other bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention, I&#8217;m 6&#8242; with a 32&#8243; inseam and wound up on the 21 size, rather than the 19.  It does seem to run a size smaller than other bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne B</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/26/first-look-2008-raleigh-detour-deluxe/comment-page-1/#comment-111989</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchased the 2009 model of this bike.  I&#039;ve not ridden it enough to give a full review yet, but my initial impression is that it is one of those machines that is more than the sum of its parts.

The closest thing I&#039;ve had to it, in terms of pride of ownership, was a Nishiki Rally that I rode as my only transportation back in the 90s.  It has that same quality feel to it.  I am a clydesdale, so many bikes feel flimsy to me, but not the Detour Deluxe.

I also had a similar &#039;70s Motobecane touring bike during the &#039;80s.  It also had a genset, rack, and full fenders.  The fenders on the Detour Deluxe are not as stout as the old Motobecane fenders, but I&#039;m sure they are much lighter.  I missed that bike and am happy to have something like it again.

I feel that it is the perfect bike for me, living in the San Francisco bay area and having to pull very steep hills.  The 24-speed gearset works out perfectly for me.  The shifting is fine and the brakes work great.  This is my first disk equipped bike, but they work better than the economy level V-brakes (which I had no complaints about) that were on my last bike.

The suspension seatpost is a dissapointment.  I had hoped that it would offer a similar feel to my 2003 Motobecane DS600 rear suspension, but it has a lot of stiction.  It basically feels like a hardtail bike until you hit a big bump and then it absorbs the shock.  It does not absorb small bumps. 

I have added a set of folding baskets to carry stuff and a bottle cage.  I have also purchased a computer, but have not installed it yet.  I just ordered a Lezyne Pressure Drive Pump and another bottle cage.

I plan on adding a battery powered tail-light to add visibility and upgrading the headlight to an Inolight.  Other than that, I&#039;ll just wait and see if anything cries out to be upgraded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchased the 2009 model of this bike.  I&#8217;ve not ridden it enough to give a full review yet, but my initial impression is that it is one of those machines that is more than the sum of its parts.</p>
<p>The closest thing I&#8217;ve had to it, in terms of pride of ownership, was a Nishiki Rally that I rode as my only transportation back in the 90s.  It has that same quality feel to it.  I am a clydesdale, so many bikes feel flimsy to me, but not the Detour Deluxe.</p>
<p>I also had a similar &#8217;70s Motobecane touring bike during the &#8217;80s.  It also had a genset, rack, and full fenders.  The fenders on the Detour Deluxe are not as stout as the old Motobecane fenders, but I&#8217;m sure they are much lighter.  I missed that bike and am happy to have something like it again.</p>
<p>I feel that it is the perfect bike for me, living in the San Francisco bay area and having to pull very steep hills.  The 24-speed gearset works out perfectly for me.  The shifting is fine and the brakes work great.  This is my first disk equipped bike, but they work better than the economy level V-brakes (which I had no complaints about) that were on my last bike.</p>
<p>The suspension seatpost is a dissapointment.  I had hoped that it would offer a similar feel to my 2003 Motobecane DS600 rear suspension, but it has a lot of stiction.  It basically feels like a hardtail bike until you hit a big bump and then it absorbs the shock.  It does not absorb small bumps. </p>
<p>I have added a set of folding baskets to carry stuff and a bottle cage.  I have also purchased a computer, but have not installed it yet.  I just ordered a Lezyne Pressure Drive Pump and another bottle cage.</p>
<p>I plan on adding a battery powered tail-light to add visibility and upgrading the headlight to an Inolight.  Other than that, I&#8217;ll just wait and see if anything cries out to be upgraded.</p>
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		<title>By: David W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Mens 17&quot;

I got a 17 based on previous experience with a variety of frame sizes....it feels pretty small to me due to the sloping top tube, but I fit just fine (no brake parts sticking off the seat stays for my foot to hit :D ), but my old ride is an &#039;91 18&quot; Cannondale cross bike with geometry that&#039;s much closer to road bikes than the Detours is.

I&#039;d say that if you&#039;re taller than 5&#039;8&quot; you want to move up to the 19&quot; for sure and in the 5&#039;6&quot;-5&#039;7&quot; range it&#039;s up to personal preference...you could probably ride the 19&quot; with no problems.  These frames seem to &quot;run short&quot; both in stand-over and reach to the bars compared to a bike with more traditional road geometry, or even most mountain bikes (which seem to have longer top tubes, or at least feel that way due to the straight bars).

I upgraded the lights on mine to Busch&amp;Muller LED models with &quot;stand-light&quot; feature and *much* better headlight coverage, the stock units aren&#039;t bad, but the upgrade is easy and not horribly expensive.  The stock brake pad compound is a bit odd too, I&#039;ll be swapping the &quot;resin&quot; Shimano pads out for some straight organics soon.  Aside from that I really like mine so far, a great commuter/utility package for small money!  Now all they need to do is pick a better frame color :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Mens 17&#8243;</p>
<p>I got a 17 based on previous experience with a variety of frame sizes&#8230;.it feels pretty small to me due to the sloping top tube, but I fit just fine (no brake parts sticking off the seat stays for my foot to hit <img src='http://commutebybike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  ), but my old ride is an &#8216;91 18&#8243; Cannondale cross bike with geometry that&#8217;s much closer to road bikes than the Detours is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that if you&#8217;re taller than 5&#8242;8&#8243; you want to move up to the 19&#8243; for sure and in the 5&#8242;6&#8243;-5&#8242;7&#8243; range it&#8217;s up to personal preference&#8230;you could probably ride the 19&#8243; with no problems.  These frames seem to &#8220;run short&#8221; both in stand-over and reach to the bars compared to a bike with more traditional road geometry, or even most mountain bikes (which seem to have longer top tubes, or at least feel that way due to the straight bars).</p>
<p>I upgraded the lights on mine to Busch&amp;Muller LED models with &#8220;stand-light&#8221; feature and *much* better headlight coverage, the stock units aren&#8217;t bad, but the upgrade is easy and not horribly expensive.  The stock brake pad compound is a bit odd too, I&#8217;ll be swapping the &#8220;resin&#8221; Shimano pads out for some straight organics soon.  Aside from that I really like mine so far, a great commuter/utility package for small money!  Now all they need to do is pick a better frame color <img src='http://commutebybike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Siouxgeonz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siouxgeonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry newbie if I&#039;ve hijacked away from your question, which I am clueless about.</description>
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		<title>By: Siouxgeonz</title>
		<link>http://commutebybike.com/2007/09/26/first-look-2008-raleigh-detour-deluxe/comment-page-1/#comment-86020</link>
		<dc:creator>Siouxgeonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly and ineffective... I&#039;m not convinced (especially with your attitude and assumptions, Mr. Myers). My LBS dotes on me, btw :) 

People don&#039;t see me pointing when it&#039;s dark.

I also prefer to steer with both hands.

Drivers are &quot;trained&quot; to respond to a pair of lights, one of which is flashing. It could be a car or a truck or a bicycle.  I do understand there&#039;s challenge to creating the right instantly processed visual effect, but  it just might be worht further exploration.  

I realize that I haven&#039;t seen turn signals on European commuter vehicles (the ones with the full chainguards :) ) ... but there are enough inherent differences in the transportation cultures so that I don&#039;t think that&#039;s enough to dismiss them for here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly and ineffective&#8230; I&#8217;m not convinced (especially with your attitude and assumptions, Mr. Myers). My LBS dotes on me, btw <img src='http://commutebybike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>People don&#8217;t see me pointing when it&#8217;s dark.</p>
<p>I also prefer to steer with both hands.</p>
<p>Drivers are &#8220;trained&#8221; to respond to a pair of lights, one of which is flashing. It could be a car or a truck or a bicycle.  I do understand there&#8217;s challenge to creating the right instantly processed visual effect, but  it just might be worht further exploration.  </p>
<p>I realize that I haven&#8217;t seen turn signals on European commuter vehicles (the ones with the full chainguards <img src='http://commutebybike.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) &#8230; but there are enough inherent differences in the transportation cultures so that I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s enough to dismiss them for here.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newbie here. Can anyone comment on how a men&#039;s size 17 might compare to a women&#039;s 16 or 19? From what I can tell, it seems to fall in between, except for the top tube length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newbie here. Can anyone comment on how a men&#8217;s size 17 might compare to a women&#8217;s 16 or 19? From what I can tell, it seems to fall in between, except for the top tube length.</p>
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		<title>By: David W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to Mike&#039;s post asking: 

&quot;I have to wonder why someone would buy that when for the same price they can buy the Sojourn?&quot;

There are a bunch of reasons; First and perhaps most importantly, some of us don&#039;t like drop bars! (sure you can convert, but that&#039;s a serious pain *and* an added expense).  Second, the Sojourn has a steel frame with completely different geometry. And finally there&#039;s the dynamo hub.

BTW, my local bike shop is putting the Detour Deluxe on the sales floor at $650 plus tax.

The Sojourn is undoubtedly a better tourer or high performance commuter, but for general city riding or dirt roads I&#039;d argue that the Detour is a better choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to Mike&#8217;s post asking: </p>
<p>&#8220;I have to wonder why someone would buy that when for the same price they can buy the Sojourn?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a bunch of reasons; First and perhaps most importantly, some of us don&#8217;t like drop bars! (sure you can convert, but that&#8217;s a serious pain *and* an added expense).  Second, the Sojourn has a steel frame with completely different geometry. And finally there&#8217;s the dynamo hub.</p>
<p>BTW, my local bike shop is putting the Detour Deluxe on the sales floor at $650 plus tax.</p>
<p>The Sojourn is undoubtedly a better tourer or high performance commuter, but for general city riding or dirt roads I&#8217;d argue that the Detour is a better choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you want a turn signal for your bike, fine. I think it&#039;s lame, but you go on and build one. Me, I&#039;d rather have E.T. so I could just fly over traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you want a turn signal for your bike, fine. I think it&#8217;s lame, but you go on and build one. Me, I&#8217;d rather have E.T. so I could just fly over traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean-

Remind me to never hope on a bike when you get behind the wheel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean-</p>
<p>Remind me to never hope on a bike when you get behind the wheel!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quinn,

Most drivers won&#039;t see a bike if it had fireworks launching out of your back rack. The same is true of motorcycles.

It doesn&#039;t matter what a bike or a motorcycle looks like, most drivers are psychologically blind to anything without 4 wheels.

That&#039;s why we have to take responsibility for our own safety.

Don&#039;t ever assume a car or truck will let you in because you used a hand signal or have a turn signal. They probably don&#039;t even know you exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quinn,</p>
<p>Most drivers won&#8217;t see a bike if it had fireworks launching out of your back rack. The same is true of motorcycles.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what a bike or a motorcycle looks like, most drivers are psychologically blind to anything without 4 wheels.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we have to take responsibility for our own safety.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ever assume a car or truck will let you in because you used a hand signal or have a turn signal. They probably don&#8217;t even know you exist.</p>
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